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[page 880] to move a patient from one part to another on account of some temporary outbreak of insanity. Ans. Yes sir. Ques. Were the attendants who were summoned to help, taken from the same floor where the patient was. Ans. Always. Ques. Is that some of these 5 men would be the men who would always take the patients on that floor. Ans. Yes sir. Ques. Did you in 1879 know a patient on that floor who used to work in the bakeshop. Ans. Yes sir. Ques. Was he subject to outbreaks of insanity and violence. Ans. Yes sir. Ques. In the latter part of 1879 did you have occasion with other attendants to take him to the lodge. Ans. I helped remove him to the lodge several times during that time. Ques. Was he a powerful man. Ans. Very, very violent when in these fits of insanity. Ques. So that you had to have four or five attendants. Ans. Yes sir. Ques. Whether you called these 3 or 4 besides yourself for the purpose of being able to handle him easily, without any violence. Ans. That was the reason. Ques. How did the attendants have hold of him as they carried him to the lodge. Ans. Had hold by his legs and arms as near as I can remember.