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1219 Q.(cont.) four or five hundred people without occasional jars; as a practical business man it does not seem possible. A. No sir Q. Here are what we call 25 cases of abuse, one man takes another, throws him down on the floor and jumps on him, puts his knees in his stomach and works away on him till his vital force is exhausted, till he is passive as a lamb, as a practical business man should you not think that might be avoided in some way? A. No sir, I never knew a crew of sane men to work a great while without having something of that kind. Q. This is an attendant? A. You will get poor attendants occasionally I have no doubt, but I should think it wonderful if that run a year without occasionally a case of that kind. I do not uphold it, at the same time. Q. You do not mean to say it is impossible to reduce it down to the minimum. A. It is impossible to get perfection