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[page 772] Q. Have you learned since? A. No sir. Q. Who was this man? A. I cannot tell what his name was. He worked in the bake room with Mr. Crosby. Q. Was he or not the epileptic man there? A. I could not tell you that. Q. How many men should you think there were? A. I never charged my memory with it; I should judge there were 5 that had charge of him. They had hold of his legs, arms and body to carry him, and he was kicking all the time while they were carrying him down Q. Was he a large man? A. A very tall man. He appeared to be strong and stout them because they had to use considerable violence in order to handle him to carry him. I should judge by the appearance of the man that he was powerful. Q. When they got him down to the bathroom where do you say they laid him? A. On the floor of the lodge room. I made a mistake; it was to the lodge room that they carried him; they carried him through the bath-room into the lodge. Q. You led the way because you had the key?