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[page 775] saine one. Only one got onto him in the lodge. I saw but one get onto him. Q. You cannot tell the name of any of these 5 men or of the patient himself? A. No, sir, because I did not change my mind at the time Q. You know at the time? A. Probably I did. Of cause I knew all the attendants there in the institution at that time Q. When was this? A. 1879. 2 years along about the last of Aug. or the first of Sept. as near as I can recollect Q. How long were you there in all? A. I went there in June 1879 and stopped until, March 1880. Q. That is the only case of personal abuse you ever saw there is it? A. Yes, it is to make any mark of it. Q. Have you ever seen any of any kind aside from this? if so, state it fully? A. No, sir, I haven't, never. Q. Had the man had a sudden outbreak or fit of insanity? A. I dont know. He was lying on the floor at the time when I went into the hall, and the men were standing round him. Q. They took him up and carried him into the