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[page 378] Q. I say if he could not have in any way, prevented this, and was not in any way responsible for it, he having the immediate charge of the male wards, do you think Dr. Harlow who didnt have the immediate charge, but the superintendency of the whole, could have prevented it, or was in any way responsible for it? A. I dont know as he was in any way responsible for it if he didnt know it. Q. You used the word "churning." Where did you get that word? A. That was there when I went there; that was used when I went there Q. Ever hear that word used there by anybody except by an attendant? A. No, I dont know as I ever did. Q. Did you ever hear that word, "churning", used by anybody in the presence of one of the officers of that institution, or any officer in that institution? A. No, sir, I dont know that I did. Q. It was a term got up among the attendants? A. The word was there when I went there. Q. Did you ever hear the supervisor use that word, or ever hear it used in his presence? A. No, I dont know as I ever did.