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[page 764] Q. Did he manifest much suffering? A. He didn't do his work as well as usual that morning- was slower. Q. How sore were his hands? A. Chapped in their palms, his fingers especially-cracked. Q. And bleeding? A. Dont remember that I ever saw them bleeding. There was a scab on there. Q. You spoke of pinching with tongs. What kind? A. Common blacksmith tongs. Q. Such as the engineer was rising at that time? A. Yes, sir. Q. And what is that engineers name? A. Samson. Q. The tongs he was rising in the fire? A. Yes Q. Hot? A. Yes. Q. Did that patient, in your opinion, cry out with pain on account of the hot tongs or the force of the pinching, or both? A. I think from the force of the pinching alone. He kept them there with his coat on. I have seen the sleeve of his coat burnt. I dont think it would burn through Q. Do you believe that other attendants knew of this? A. I dont know anything about it Q. Had they the same opportunity to see it? A. No. Q. Officers were passing by where he was at work? A. Some times, yes, sir.