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[page 884] I might. Ques. Do you know of any patients ever complaining of your abusing and choking him. Ans. I do not remember. Ques. You will not say a patient never did complain. Ans. No sir. Ques. Nothing was ever said to you about it. Ans. I do not remember. Ques. Will you say you never heard from any person, either superintendent, supervisor, other attendant or patient, any complaint made of your abusing a patient. Ans. I will not say I never did hear of it; I do not remember that I ever heard it from anyone. Ques. Is it customary to put patients in the lodge without first reporting to the officer and getting permission. Ans. I presume so. Ques. You were not present when 4 or 5 men took a patient, put him into the lodge and churned him. Ans. What do you mean by churning? Ques. I understand the process described by Mr. Motherwell to be this, taking a patient, taking him violently, throwing him onto the floor, either choking him or putting your