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[page 306] the committee was there. Q. Do you remember the case of one Daniel Palmer, I think, put into the lodge? Was he a violent patient? A. He never was there when I worked there Q. Did you know Daniel Palmer there? A. Yes, I have seen him there. I didnt work there at the time he was there, but I remember one night that I happened to be there and went into the lodge where he was. We were in the attendants room, and were speaking about him. And I says, "Let's go into the lodge and see him." We went in and he was in there in the room with nothing but straw; and it was so cold he could hardly walk. We took hold of him and led him across the room and put him to bed in the spare room. Q. Was this one with you the attendant in whose charge he was? A. No sir he was not. He was a watchman, one attendant in the private halls at that time- Perkins. Q. So you two who found him in this condition had no authority over him at all?