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[page 345] lodges? do they consider themselves ill treated? A. Not as a general thing. Q. They really dont comprehend? A. No sir, not as a general thing. I rather think he did though He was a queer kind of a man. Q. You think he really understood that he was being abused rather than otherwise? A. Yes, sir. Q. You were speaking of churning and striking in the stomach, or kicking. Did you ever practice that as a patient? A. I should not consider I was obliged to answer that question Q. Dont wish to answer it? A. A man is not going to condemn himself. Q. You spoke of several cases where you were standing by and saw others "churning", as you term it. And did you ever in any of these cases assist the weaker party; the under dog in the fight? did you ever interfere to relieve patients? A. I dont know I am sure. I dont remember of any particular case. I have said, "better let the patient alone." or something like that. Q. In these cases of which you have spoken here, did you report them to the proper officers? A. No, sir.