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[page 663] out his pocket handkerchief ^and they would dodge it, it was pretty good evidence to my mind that they cuffed them once in a while. Q. You judge from how close an inspection? just going through? A. I could not by going right though the hall; I should want to stay round in the halls. Q. And in this case you did stay round? A. Yes, sir. I became familiar with all these patients there. I was with them a great deal in the halls and all over the building. By Dr. Butler: Q. Mrs. Quimby had been appointed on the board of trustees previous to your going there? A. Yes, before I left. Q. When did you hear of a likelihood of this investigation? A. I don't know as I ever heard of any likelihood of an investigation. I did not know there was going to be one until I heard there was one. There was a case there that I think of now, before this board of trustees. It was hearsay from a patient; a patient told me in regard to the abuse he received. Why I speak of it it was brought before the trustees. He was either a Dane, Swede or