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[page 187] or twice since I have been there. Mr. Pettangill: That is hearsay. Dr. Butler: I will not insist upon it. Q. While you were there did you ever see a patient abused? A. I think I have, yes, sir. Q. What was his name? A. I dont know his name. They call him Tim. He is an Irishman by birth I should say. Q. State tot the Committee what you saw? A. I saw two or more men round him, and one had him down; I judged that he had him by the throat, and another one was holding his feet. The man that had his feet was a boarder. Q. What was the man that had him by the throat doing? A. I dont know as he was doing anything. I was not very bear him. Q. You are sure he had him by the throat? A. I judged he had him by the throat. I passed through there and the thing was in progress, and I kept along and left them there Q. You dont know what it was for? A. No Q. Did he kick him? A. I didn't see him kick him.