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[ page 43] but I don't know of a case now where I knew it Q. Don't you know cases where you had no reason to doubt? A. No, sir. I don't recollect any such case. Q. You believe then that the attendants are usually at their places- always at their places? Don't go away without permission? A. I don't think there is such fault of that kind at the present time. Q. There has been in former times? A. Not ^ very much so few as my knowledge goes. Q. You say you don't have much knowledge in reference to that, so I don't care to press that matter. I have nothing further to ask at present. Mr. Hill:- Hadn't we better examine witnesses who come from a distance? Dr. Butler:- I asked to examine him because this is a matter that will come up in the legislature. Dr. Neal is here from a distance. Dr. Harlow:- I would like to ask Capt. Lakin in relation to this discipline of the hospital, what he knows about it, and what his experience has been if he knows anything.