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[page 54] because they would tear the clothing. Mr. Goss: Did you have any reason to doubt that? Witness: No, sir, only that I wanted to see some better way; no reason to doubt it. I hoped there might be some better way. By Dr. Butler: Q. Has there ever been found any better way in this hospital, to your knowledge? A. I don't know. Q. Do you mean to say that it is the common method that in the case of these violent patients who tear their clothing, to put them into one of those room below there with nothing but straw to be on if they choose, do you mean to say this was in this hospital? A. I dont think it is common. Q. Is it occasional? A. While I was on the visiting committee it was I think. Q. In the case of one of the men, Capt. Harriman, for instance; was it the case with him? A. I could not tell. I never go to the mens department. Q. I know that very well; but his wife was here, and I didn't know but that you might have seen her and she might have told you the fact in reference to it.