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[page 450] their friends seen, by accident, not purposely? A. I dont know. Q. Have you not seen occasions like this: where these visitors were going through there would be patients in a disturbed condition; perhaps some friends in there to see them; and they would be in a very disturbed and distressed condition. And have you never seen those visitors who were with you, stop and look upon that scene, and pause to look at it? A. Yes, I think I have. Q. Have you never seen carriages come in and drive back of the hospital and stop there and hear the raving, the profanity and the obscenity of some of those wild, violent women on the back-side there? A. Yes, and I have sent them off a great many times. Mr. Baker: Do you mean to say you object to having the hospital opened to the public? Dr. Butler: Yes, I do. Mr. Pettangall: That is a point you raise is it? We wish to know your points. Dr. Butler: This is the point I mean. That hospital is just as it is, as the law