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[page 565] in 1873 that Chamberlain was hiring teams of men. Q. He was hiring teams of [?] A. Yes sir Q. Did you ever report either of these cases to anybody connected with the institution? A. No, I didn't. Q. Did you ever say a word about them until the matter of this investigation came up? A. Yes, I have mentioned it to persons that I knew of cases of abuse Q. Did you ever mention it to any of the responsible persons connected with the hospital? A. I can not say. I have mentioned it to different persons. Q. Answer my question. Whether you have ever mentioned it to any officers of the institution? A. No, sir, I never did Q. But you did to other people? A. Yes, sir, I have told others that I had seen abuses. Q. Living as near as you did to the hospital, if you were going to report why didn't you report to the men having the matter in charge? A. I though that those men who were having a salary of one thousand or fifteen hundred dollars a year