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[page 650] I was expected to testify Q. Hadn't the faintest idea? A. I knew what I should testify to if I was summoned. I have seen Dr. Butler and talked with him today. He came to my house and I told him I didn't want to come here on account of the personal respect that I had for the officers of that institution. Q. Do you mean to say you didn't tell him at that time what you would testify to? A. No, sir Q. Or what you knew? A. No, sir Q. And he didn't ask you? A. I don't know but that he might have tried to get something out but the didn't Q. Did he have minutes of your testimony? A. I don't think he did. Q. If he did you don't know where he got them? A. No. He didn't get them from me I knew he was trying to establish some points. and I came to the conclusion that what I was going to tell I would tell without any secondhand work. Q. Now take the second case where this Irishman, you say, shoved you in the first place. What was his name? A. Ryan