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[page 55] I only want to get at this fact whether this thing does occur in this hospital occasionally; if that is the way these men are treated. A. She never said to me anything in regard to it. Q. From you knowledge of other hospitals do you or not know that there are hospitals where that is the method with such violent patients? A. No, sir, I dont. Q. You do not know that there are such hospitals where they have such methods with violent patients? That we will show at another time. When you were a visiting committee, did you fins neglect of bathes, a great need of suitable bathes? In what condition were the baths? A. You mean the bathtubs? Q. Yes. A. I have always objected to the bath tubs as there, except new ones that have been put in within a year. Q. Were they destitute of some things that were necessary, such as a sponge? A. I think it was not a habit to have a sponge. I dont know but that it is now. Q. Did you call the attention of the superintendent to that fact? A. I could not say that I ever did Q. Did you notice about the matter of carpets?