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[page 200] from the state person? A. No, sir. By Mr. Baker: Q. Capt. Lakin would like to have you repeat the names of the two patients you spoke of. A. One was Clark. Dr. Harlow: Judson Clark? A. I don't know. He was a very small man. Then there was Tim. Mr. Baker: Dont you think, without recollecting it now, that you must have stated to some outside parties about these occurrences, or else Dr. Butler would not have sent for you? A. I dont think I ever did. I cannot swear I never did, but I dont think I ever mentioned it, to my ^best knowledge. Dr. Butler: We will make that all clear. By Mr. Pettangall: Do you think the Dr. would permit a patient to be treated unkindly if he had any knowledge of it? A. No, sir, I dont think he would, By Dr. Butler: Q. You helped get this man in and you saw him upon the floor with this man choking him. Now I dont know but that I asked you, but I will ask it again. How came he on the floor? A. He had a scuffle with this man and he took him down. I think he was going to