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[page 222] He was in one of the upper halls. Q. Were there or not times when h was violent? A. he was kind of cross at times, yes, sir. Q. So far as you know, insane people are apt to be cross sometimes are not they? A. Yes, sir the most of them. Some of them are kind of clever. Q. Was there one or more attendants concerned in this abuse of Mr. Whidden up in his room? A. There were two of them I think. Q. Refresh your memory and be sure what you can remember about it; whether there was one or two? A. There were two I think Q. Where was his room? A. I don't know exactly what room he had. He was in the upper south-hall at that time. Q. How happened you to see him in reference to the lodge? A. I went down there. Q. With them? A. Yes, sir Q. Where abouts was it when they threw him down and choked him again? Was it in the lodge or outside of the lodge? A. In the lodge hall. Q. Not in his room? A. No, sir Q. How long were they choking him there in the lodge? A. I could not say how long they were I am sure.