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[page 358] A. Yes, sir. Q. When you put that on the table which he had ordered you to, and which you had said was very bad, did the patients eat it? A. Some of them did and some didn't Q. Those who did eat it were so energy they didn't know what they were eating? A. Yes, sir, they would eat most anything that was set before them. Q. Did you have any knowledge of one Mc'Cart in your ward? A. He was not in my ward. But then my recollection is the same as that Mr. Motherwell spoke about I was there at the time. Q. What according to your recollection, was done with him in that case? A. I can state the same as he stated, what they call "churning." Q. You are sure that he received that kind of punishment? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you hear his testimony? A. No, sir. I didn't. I read it in the paper. I was not here when he gave it Q. What paper did you read it in? A. In 2 or 3; the Journal and Herals. Q. Was McCarty one that worked out? A. No, sir, he was not.