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[page 479] put without clothing into the lodges, except in cases where they would not keep the clothing on if put on? A. I am not aware that they have been. Q. Have they ever been to your knowledge? A. No, sir. Q. Have any directions ever been given, to your knowledge, for putting patients in without clothing, except in cases where, in your judgment, or the judgement of the other officers, the patient would not keep clothing on? A. No, sir, I have not known any directions given of the kind Q. As a rule, are patients put into the lodge with or without clothing? That is, those violent patients that go in there; do they have to go in with or without clothing, as a rule? A. As is rule, the patient that has to keep the lodges is destructive to clothing, and they will tear their clothing off, as a rule. Q. Did you know the patients Palmer? A. Yes, sir Q. He was kept in the lodge a good deal? A. Yes sir Q. Were his habits violent and destructive in reference to clothes? A. Yes, sir. He was not so destructive to his clothes as some I have seen