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[page 360] Q. How did you find it out? A. I most generally found it out some way by the time they got into the building. I dont know that they ever came into my hall but that I knew they were coming. Q. Before they came? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you have long enough time to get out of the way any thing that was not nice? A. I never had to fly round a great deal to get things not very nice away. I calculated to keep it in good shape. Q. Have you seen cases of abuse where they have been punished, "churned" as they call it,- any abuse of any king. A. Yes, sir. I dont know as I could recollect any case except this one now Q. That one you have been telling about? A. Yes sir. Q. But do you say under you oath that it is your belied you have seen others you cannot now particularly recollect? A. Yes, sir. Q. Do you remember the names of the attendants or patients? A. No, I dont think I could recollect any names. I am a great hand to forget