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[page 431] regular duty was it not? A. Yes, sir Q. You say Palmer was a very violent man? A. Yes, sir. Q. Powerful? A. He was Q. If these bed-straps had been put on him he would have been fastened in one position on the bed, would he not? A. Yes, sir, unless a man was with him to take care of him Q. So fastened that he could not move any of his limbs. That would be the object of putting them on would it? A. They could be loosened so he could move his limbs. Q. I mean he could not have any use of his limbs? A. He could not term over. Q. Fastened on his back was he not? A. Yes, sir Q. And his limbs bound down in the way you have described? A. Yes, sir, he was tied Q. With a powerful man in a fit of frenzy do you mean to state to the Committee as your observation and experience that he would not suffer more, bound down in the way you have described to a bedstead