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[page 201] lock him up and he resisted; I think that was the cause of it. Q. And he got him down and choked him? A. Yes, sir. Q. You say these are all the cases you ever saw of attendants abusing or attempting to punish patients? A. Yes, sir, I think that is all I ever saw. Q. You have answered the question that you did not report these things to Dr. Harlow. Is it a matter of fact that these occurrences of choking and punishing patients can exist there and Dr. Harlow and Dr. Sanborn know nothing about it? A. I dont know any further than those two. Q. You know the discipline of the hospital is such that such a thing may happen and can be concealed for many years? A. This did happen. By Dr. Harlow: Q. How aggravated a case would you consider would be sufficient for you to report it to an officer? A. I think if a man received any serious bodily harm I should report it. Q. What degree of injury? A. Any thing that he would not get over in an hour or two. Of course if a man was choked he would feel the inconvenience of it for some little time