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[page 227] Dr. Butler: My only point is that the rules of the hospital are habitually violated. Q. (Reading from rules of the hospital) "Patients will not be required to return before 9 oclock P.M. nor rise before a quarter before 7 oclock A.M. from Sept to March and a quarter before six from March to Sept." I wish to ask Mr. Motherwell whether that has been the habit. That is to say, are thy or not required to rise before 7 oclock in the morning, as far as you know? A. The watchmen always called ^us at 5 o'clock in the summer and half past 5 in the winter while I was there Q. Are you quite positive? A. Yes, sir Q. You have been away from there a year and a half, or a year; but you are sure? A. Yes, all the time I was there Q. How do they call up the patients? A. The watchmen calls the attendants and then the attendants get up and unlock the patients Q. Di they require them to get up? A. I dont know as they oblige them to but they are most always all up. Q. That is to say, when the doors are unlocked they are thrown open and stand open? A. Yes, sir.