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[page 284] know of several, but I cannot remember their names. Q. Wont you state all that occurred in one case? A. I cannot remember any in particular. Q. Have you now any incident in mind- can you recollect during your four years experience there as an attendant, any single incident or instance of personal ill treatment of a patient by an attendant? If so, please to state it fully to the Committee? A. I dont think I can any particular case. Q. No instance is now in your mind? A. No, not now. Q. That you can recollect? A. No, sir. Q. What is the usual, average number of patients on the female side under the charge of a single attendant? A. I can only answer for myself. I had in my hall as low a number as 15 and as high as 23. Q. Was the 22 or 23 only occasionally? A. That was not the average with me. Q. That was above the average with you? A. Yes, sir. Q. As to others you don't know. Do you know that as matter of fact, in some of them the average would only run to 11 or 12? A. In one hall?