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[page 309] by it. We will accept the term as a fair one, but what did they do to him? A. Did all that comes under the churning, as I understood it here the other day, kicked, struck and choked him so. Q. Kicked him, struck him and choked him etc.? A. Yes sir. Q. Does it some times include getting onto them and pressing them with the knee? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you ever have in your charge a patient more or less violent when it was necessary to do this thing to him? A. No, I dont suppose it was ever necessary; always help enough to take care of them without that. Q. You can call help can you not? A. Yes, sir. Q. It is one of the rules that it shall not be done? A. Yes, sir. Q. How long did they keep that up, the churning? A. Kept it up until they think they have got enough of it, give up. Q. Until the patient submits? A. Yes, sir, some times perhaps longer. Q. And some times perhaps longer? A. Yes, sir Q. Was there an attendant there by the name of