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[page 369] Q. Ever exercise any more force than necessary to protect yourself and keep the patient in subjection? A. No, sir. Q. You never did? A. No, sir, I dont know that I did. Q. You say you cannot now recollect any case when you ever saw any body else use more force than was necessary to accomplish that purpose? A. No, sir. Q. And that is your experience of four and a half years in the hospital? A. I was there four and a half years, about that. Q. State to the Committee exactly what you saw done in the Mc'Carty case? A. As I can recollect it his attendant took him down, jumped into his stomach with his knees, and I dont know any thing more about it. Q. Did the patient attack the attendant or the attendant the patient? A. The attendant attacked him at that time. Q. What was the patient doing, anything? A. Nothing particular. Q. Was he walking about? A. I think he was, yes, sir. Q. The patient was? A. He was in the habit of walking the hall and being noisy sometimes.