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[page 457] Q. And that is the general way? A. As far as I know. Q. Now, in your asylum do you do all of that that you can? A. We strive to, yes, sir. Q. Of course we all know there have been additions made in the last few years, of treatment of the insane, and adoption of various methods of building up the system of insane patients. Do you think you have got them all in your asylum as well as they could be had? A. I dont know why we haven't Q. So you think you are up to the times in all those particulars? A. Yes, I think so. I am placing the asylum here on a par with the ordinary state asylums of other states. Q. That is what I mean. A. I am not placing it on a par with some private asylums that I could mention. By Dr. Butler: Q. Did I understand you to say you hadn't given medicine to the patients, to Miss. Ham to carry, when it was the especial duty of Miss. Clough to do this and when Miss. Clough was in the hospital