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[page 946] some part of that conversation that Capt. Lakin gave me notice that he should not consider himself under obligation to keep secret, and I so assented. Ques. Did he not as to the entire conversation? Ans. No, I didn't understand it so. I dont think he did. But I think he did on one point. Ques. Did you not call for a special interview on that subject of the Superintendent with Capt. Lakin? Ans. No, sir. I sent for him once to come over to see me over to the Comey House 2 years ago Ques. On that subject? Ans. It was on many subjects. We talked on that subject. That was not the only purpose for which I sent for him, and I cannot say whether it was one of them or not; I can only tell you I dont remember. I have talked over with Dr. Neal before the investigation began, the matter of the condition of the affairs at the hospital and what one and another knew about it. I was not in the habit of talking with him frequently while he was there. I have been in the habit of inquiring of him very freely about the methods there