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1095 Q. Did you not say in this hall that you did not consider a patient abused unless he was nearly killed? A. I did not make any such remark. Q. Have you conversed about this matter of the testimony ? A. I think likely I have. Q. Whom have you conversed with? A. Have conversed with a number of people, have conversed with Mr. Baker By Mr. Baker Q. By whom did you hear the word churning used when you first went there? A. I heard it used outside first, do not know by whom. Q. Did you hear it used by attendants inside? A. I could not say that I had or had not. Q. Was it a term in general use? A. I think not, it has been a long time since I have heard it till since this investigation began. Q. Did you ever hear it used in presence of any officer in the institution? A. No sir Q. The man you kicked seized you suddenly by the throat. A. Yes sir, It was a patient who had a very long arm, I could not get away Q. Were you trying before you kicked him? A I