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1180 Q. (cont.) of the attendants A. I should say he exercised all the care that could be expected, and as much discretion and discrimination Q. Were you in the habit frequently when you were there of conversing with the attendants and patients? A. Yes sir Q. What was your observation as to whether there was a head to the institution or not? A. I never suspected anything different from that, it is one of those things unless there was something to draw my attention to it, to see a want of it I would not know very much about. There are almost two distinct departments there, the interior and the exterior, both under control nominally of the same man, yet the outside can not be so much personally under his observation and direct supervision as the inside and if he has a man thee in whom he has confidence he would not be likely to be inquiring all the time to see what the man was about, but would be more particularly engaged in the inside duties. I never discovered anything to arouse my suspicions that the superintendent was not really the superintendent. I have no doubt he consulted the officers of the institution as to the expenditures. Q. What was your observation watchfulness and vigilance of the superintendent of holding the attendant