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1239 A. (cont.) the councils. Testimony of Abram McLaughlin, Sworn By Mr. Baker Q. Where do you live? A. In Auburn Q. Were you an attendant in the hospital at one time? A. Yes I think about four years and some collectively, begun in 1872, I think and closed Sept 1880. Q. Were you employed one time in keeping the lodges? A. I was three months, from January to April; was familiar with them. Q. Were you in the lodges sometimes at night? A. In the evening I was there; sometimes had occasion to get up in the night and go to a patient. Q. Did you ever see one of the lodge rooms cold enough to be uncomfortable for a patient ? A. I never did Q. The temperature of the lodge rooms does not vary materially one night with another, not more than 4 or 5 degrees? A. I do not think it will Q. Did you know Daniel Palmer? A. Yes I used to see