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1248 A. Not what there was in the dining room. I met him on the way from the lodge. Q. How long would it take you to put him into the lodge? A. Probably not more than 5 minutes. Q. You do not know anything against Motherwell's reputation for truth and veracity, do you? A. No sir. Q. Hoxie used to ask to go out to work, you used to let him go A. Yes sir A. Do you know whether at one time he was down near Mr. Norton's house and felt very hot and they gave him some water and he appeared like a man excited, do you know anything about that? A. I do not Q. You do not say Mr. Sampson never did abuse Peter Haines? A. No, because I don't know. Q. So you know whether he ever cuffed him? A. I do not, never heard anyone say he did. Q. Do you know whether he ever gave him water to drink out of a dirty basin? A. No sir Q. Or whether he ever pinched him with hot tongs? A. I do not Q. Did you ever hear this term churning? A. I heard it 7 or 8 years ago, used to hear it